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October 19, 2017 at 9:33 pm #7178
Coleman McMurphy
ParticipantI think I’ve only got one more shot with this guy as the previous two formulas have made his symptoms worse. He’s an 40 yr old RA patient. Pain is severe and debilitating. All his joints will hurt and he is unable to work. Pain along entire spine as well. P: left overall weaker than right, L1 relative floating, L2 deep thin wiry, L3 most deficient possibly faint, R1 some tightness rolling up strongly, R2 bigger than left OR its a dong 1/2….not certain there, R3 deep thin slight wiry. Can’t tell if I’m getting a dong pulse reading or hollow guan reading on the right. Tried GZSYZMT and he got worse, and then FJHQT, and got even worse. He tends to be constipated and has a decreased appetite and losing weight as of late, but is already thin. He has relatively high thirst and drinks lots of water. No urinary issues. Pains can be very sharp and worse at night. Getting very little sleep. Abdomen: subcostal tension and pressure pain, very strong bilateral okestsu finding. Do I need to be harmonizing first?
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October 19, 2017 at 9:34 pm #7920
collincampbell
ParticipantColeman McMurphy. Good Belgian rules to live by: harmonize first and SHL first. If bowel are sluggish and cun is up what is a formula from both JGYL and SHL that treats pain?
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October 19, 2017 at 9:35 pm #8091
Coleman McMurphy
ParticipantBM 1 every 2-3 days, but worse if he has to take opiates which he has been having to do. Typically not too dry and hard, but incomplete.
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October 19, 2017 at 9:45 pm #8092
Coleman McMurphy
Participantewabartys
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October 19, 2017 at 9:46 pm #8093
Coleman McMurphy
ParticipantOr XJZT? But I don’t think of that as harmonizing.
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October 20, 2017 at 9:37 pm #8094
Coleman McMurphy
ParticipantThat’s a good thought. Here’s a question related to this: if the cun is floating relative to the rest of the positions, but not explicitly floating cause the entire pulse is deeper would that still be a GZ indication?
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October 20, 2017 at 9:38 pm #8095
collincampbell
ParticipantIf the cun is up, it’s up. But there are the JGYL pulses that contradict that.
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October 20, 2017 at 9:39 pm #8096
collincampbell
ParticipantBut in SHL context, yes
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October 20, 2017 at 9:40 pm #8097
Coleman McMurphy
ParticipantIn terms of mods i was thinking FL/ZS….FL for the rolling Rt cun and ZS to help move bowels?
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October 20, 2017 at 9:42 pm #8098
Christoph Ludwig Beer
GuestWhy not a CHGZGJT+LGZGT+ZS since the pronounced thirst and the bigger right guan.
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October 20, 2017 at 9:43 pm #8099
collincampbell
ParticipantI sometimes try and unfairly avoid it, but CHGZT minus RS/DZ plus LGZGT plus ZS is very, very similar. Coleman McMurphy you could try either.
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October 20, 2017 at 9:44 pm #8100
Coleman McMurphy
ParticipantI guess the question then is does this patient need ML. Are we typically thinking ML for damp joint issues?
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