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    • #7799
      Aaron
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      There is a line in the SHL where a blood deficient patient is sweated (which this patient has been doing with his exercise), which leads to tremors. (I think the tremors are partly to the yang surging up and partly due to the temperature difference between the interior and the exterior creating wind). I think he needs his blood tonified and the yang anchored so maybe SQW + TXS.

    • #7798
      laurieayres
      Participant

      Yes, line 87 talks of sweating a blood collapse patient leading to cold shivers and shaking, but there are wet and dry types of shaking, with the wet types shown in lines 67 and 82 for LGZGT and ZWT respectively, and JG Ch.12 speaking of shaking and intense twitching of eyes and body. The short explanation is that the twitching is like pulsations transmitted by the water; the slightly longer explanation is that as you sweat someone you pull heat out of the blood layer and into the qi layer, leaving the blood and water layers colder and qi layer hotter, this heat (and pressure) differential causes wind to arise resulting in air bubbles rising through the water layer causing irregular sudden movements, which of course relate to wind (and this is one of the many explanations of why BS is in ZWT).Now in this patient I’d agree SQW+TXS sounds like the way to go, but with that amount of heart weakness and cardiac symptoms I’d bump GZ up to 60. If there was just the cardiac symptoms without the wiry R 3rd and the water symptoms of frequent urination and pronounced twitching then ZGCT could be considered.I’d avoid GZJLGMLT as you don’t want to use BS when there is a skipping heart, but with a faint pulse, cardiac symptoms, cold hands and feet and a superficial weak/faint L cun then that structure without the BS could also be considered in GZJNT, and with the wiry R 3rd GZJNT+GZFLW (CS) with GZ also at 60 could be an alternative option if SQW+TXS doesn’t cut the mustard.

    • #8140
      Esther van Dorst
      Guest

      So you think DGJZT or ZGCT?

    • #7797
      Esther van Dorst
      Guest

      Doesn’t SQW+TXS need a tight right cun? I think I’ll cut the mustard(???) with the second option.

    • #8141
      Aaron
      Participant

      I remember Arnaud teaching us that SQW is more for men and ZGCT more for women, so I’d do SQW.

    • #8142
      laurieayres
      Participant

      It can have it, but doesn’t need one. TXS alone does due to the BZ, but as SQW+TXS has no BZ, then you don’t need the right R cun.

    • #8143
      Esther van Dorst
      Guest

      You think that would be a good first step?

    • #8144
      Aaron
      Participant

      I’d try SQW + TXS. There are probably smarter options, but that one makes sense to me.

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